Wednesday, December 31, 2014

Genral information about PACHADE JATTS of uttar pradesh

I belong to a community called Pachhade jatt in western U.P. and since my childhood I wanted to search for the roots of our community. I thought posting it here might help in finding the same. Me being the 5th generation in U.P. don’t have any clue obout our origin and reason for migration to U.P. My family is sikh.
some gotras (clans ) of pachade jatts are-
CHAHAL
SANDHU
GILL
DHARIWAL
GHUMMAN
ADAIT
BIDANG
GREWAL
HARAKI
BRAR
TIWANA
DHILLON
AULAKH
UPPAL
SIDDHU
LITT
DHALIWAL
DEOL
RANDHAWA
BAWA
MAAN


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among these the CHAHALS and GILLS formed 20% if the pachade jatts population
Here is some information about us from internet :
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Pachhada_Jats
Pachhada Jats
Pachhada Jats are the Jat people, that are mostly found in the western districts of Uttar Pradesh. There are about 400,000 Pachhada's there. Their biggest concentration is in the Moradabad district where some 785 villages are mostly populated by them. They belong to the Jat caste, but are differentiated from the Hindu Jats of western U.P. by their names 'Pachhade' (from the west) Jats as opposed to the Hindu Jats who are called Deswali (of this land - UP) Jats. Their name is a clue to their origins. According to the author of the Gazetteer of the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh ( present U.P ) writing in 1878 these tribes migrated about a hundred years ago into their present areas and settled there. The author also remarks that the language spoken by them is Punjabi and not Hindi.
Relation With Sikhi :
Although the Pachhadas claim that their ancestors came to U.P. during Banda Singh Bahadur's assault on the Mughal power at Saharanpur in 1711, it is possible that given the approximate date given by the Gazetteer that these Sikhs might have migrated during the great famine of 1783, the so-called Chalisa ( 1783 AD was 1840 in Bikrami calendar ). Whatever their date of settlement they are certainly the descendants of Sikhs. Although they do not keep the 5 K's, they like the Banjaras use the Guru Granth Sahib in their ceremonies. During the 1920s and 1930s there was a great desire amongst them to be accepted as Sikhs and between the 1921 and 1931 census the number of Sikhs in the Moradabad jumped from a mere 231 to 20631 due to the Pachhadas of moradabad registering themselves as Sikhs. Unfortunately these Pachhadas reverted back to Hinduism after 1947. Since the 1930s the U.P. Sikh Mission in active in these areas and there has been some success with regard to their reversion back to Sikhism.
Here I want to add from my side about the culture here which will be very confusing to lot of people here.

Language/Boli : The language spoken is some distorted form of Punjabi . It has 50% hindi and 50 % Punjabi. The accents are neutral and no where matches with Punjabi people.
Example : “Where are you going ” will be spoken as “kithhe nu jaaye raye ho”.
Population: The current population is 7-8 lakh, 90 % of us live in villages.
Occupations: 90 % of the people are farmers. Military and police is another preferred option.
Life style: is very simple most of us are farmers. Unlike Punjab Youth don’t flaunt on royal enfield bullets and jeeps due to limited resources. No show off.
Food : The diet is very rich. Love to have milk,ghee,makhhan,missi roti and simple food. No spicy food is preferred. Unlike Punjabi people no one here likes chatar patar food like chhole bhature etc. Although non-veg food is popular.
Religion: Biggest confusion. 90 % of the people are registered as Hindus in their religion but they all go to gurudwaras . Even few marriages are conducted by gyani ji in the presence of Guru granth sahib. Paths are very common and funerals are done through sikh methods. Overall it has lot of influence of Sikhism. Ladies do fasting also and participate in gurudwara sahib deewans as well.(contradicting)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/39240-forgotten-sikhs-hindus-sikhs-sikhs-hindus.html
Marriages: Marriages are done based on the cast and not religion. Sikhs can marry in hindus . Hindus can marry Sikhs family. There is only condition “both bride and grooms should be pachhade jats.” The marriages with local jat (called deshwali jats) are very rare.

We are sikh but my mother/wife is from hindu family. My sister is married in hindu families. But all the marriages happened in gurudwara.


Relations with other Punjabis (migrated during 1947): friendly but no marriages happen with them.
Relations with original jats from U.P.: Same as above.
Status of Guru Nanak dev/Guru govind Singh/Guru Granth sahib : All the gurus are considered as avatar of Gods and people worship them like gods.
Five k’s : Only few people follow 5 K’s. like my grandfather converted to sikhism but the count is very low. Although Sikhs keep kesh but all Sikhs are not amritdharis. Interesting thing is sikh are not considered different from others. Many example are there when one son is hindu other one is sikh from the same father . confusing
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39240
Connection with Punjab: No one has even single relative in Punjab. We don’t know what was our original location. The world pachhade means westerns . That mean we came here from west is the only clue.
Current trend : Lot of radha-swami deras have opened and attracting people towards them . SGPC and other bodies have failed to attract people so ultimately everyone will turn Hindu here. Contact me at 7053424789
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19 comments:

  1. Wow!I would like to know about you and your community. Seems like you are Sehajdhari Sikhs.

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    1. Yeah you can contact to me at my email is kapilsohi@gmail.com . I am also living there.

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  3. Dear Singh Sabu, thanks for the sharing information about Punjabi/Pachchhadde Jatt's. Pachchhadde word is more common in trans Ganga region not in dhaba and Haryana (five villages in Haryana), they are more known as Punjabi Jatt. Moreover could you please tell the source of your information. Let me explain more about them "we" were not migrated because of famine because that famine made impact only on Malawi and Bangaru region of united Punjab. However, it is true that there is a huge population of Chahal, Siddhu, Gill, Dhariwal, but you also found there are many gotts "gotras" are from Duaba and Majjha e.g. Khaira, Chattha, Cheema, Boparai and so. Therefore don't associate your narratives with famine. Most of those Jatt's came in UP as Khalsa uprise happened "circa 1770-1790) as a saviour, or for rakkhi (The history of Sikh - Khushwant Singh). Rulled the region from Shaharanpur-Hapur-Rampur for two decades and then settled down and became Zamindar in the region, still considered as finest farmer with good living standard.
    Also, having isolated from land of the origin for than a century, there isn't any efforts made my Punjabies from Punjab, except few efforts made by Raja Raghuvir Singh Sandhu of Sansi (Amritsar) Riyasat.
    They are economic well, self dependent, still majority speak Punjabi (vernacular). Of sure! there is huge scope to study about them.

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    1. who are you ?? can you contact us ?

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    2. I am chattha jatt(pachade jatt) from Hapur District of west up. I belongs to village sadullapur lodhi.my great grandfather was of village muradpur. My family had land holdings in 2 villages(far away frm each other) and my great grandfather got the the land share in villg. Sadullapur. My great grandfather was a graduate from St. Stephens college. My grandfather and his siblings are well educated because we belonged to elite zimidar background. My great grandfather remained chair man of meerut district cooperative federation for more then a decade. My grandfather fought mla election but lost from the person of our same gotra. I gave this information to give u a little idea of my family background. I want to know more about pachade jats and what should we do so that our relegion will be counted as sikh by govt. Of India.

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    3. Hello bhai
      M v pacchade jatta cho han mera district Hapur h. Menu vdiya laga k tussi sikhi ch jana chande ho, kyoki insan nu apna background ni bhulna chahiye. Ta bhai Aisha ek hi tarika h k apne jatta nu btao apne background bare ch or sikhi nu follow krne nu bolo kyoki apne atthe mundya nu pta hi ni apna background ki h

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    4. Bhai uss tah paahlla to assi hindu Jatt hi c ge. Sikhi to pahle assi hindu Jatt c ge. Ab conversion da koi fayda ni hga

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  4. dear Brother,
    i have read somewhere that hindus from NCR region that time suffering from Aurangzeb cruelty, went to Guru Gobind Singh Ji and requested him for help from the menace of Aurangzeb... So, then Guru ji sent thirty thousand warriors jatts to NCR to fight for them. The region where they stayed is now called as Tees Hazari in New Delhi. After the war ends and peace prevails, they settled in the region and adopt agriculture as there main occupation.
    neeraj Masand

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    1. Eh bhi thiiik aaa aaa sade purkheya nei dilli fatheh kiti c thays in dehli 30 hjari coirt is sbilable kyuk baba rnnjeet singh nei army beji thi na ki guru gobjnd singh nei and apni army dei jarnail da na c baba baghel singh dhariwal apne ithihas pei kitab h or you can virw on wiki pidea

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    3. And decades after the period of Banda Singh Bahadur

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    4. Bhai na maharaja ranjeet singh army bheji na guru gobind singh ye baat us time ki h jab pujab mei misslo ka raj hua krta tha uss time pr majhe ki missl thi khror singhiya missl baba baghel singh dhaliwal baba jasa singh ramgariya jassa singh alhuwaliya inhone assult kya tha delhi pr 30 hjar sikh army k sath

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  5. These jatts came with Baba Baghel Singh as part of his force. After occupying Red Fort in 1783, in the beginning of 1785, he along with Jassa Sing Ramgarhia crossed Yamuna from Haryana side and then crossed Ganga (they had already conquered Saharanpur in 1764 and defeated Mughal emperor Shah Alam 2 in Muzaffarnagar in 1776, now all Ganga- Yamuna area was on his mercy but he did not rule as he had to go back home) and swept over the upper Ganga Doab. After conquering Moradabad and surrounding village, they went till Chandausi. If we observe, these punjabi jatts are also mainly in these areas.

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  6. The reason for their religious situation may be that it was just beginning of sikh rule even in Punjab and for decades there had been a big risk to be a sikh with hair as they were considered rebels. So there is strong probablity that a big part of army of newly raised kings was sahajdhari sikh and in Punjab, a wave to be keshdhari sikh at mass among common sikhs started only after they came in power(which was time after we already settled in west UP). With time and lack of continuation of religious education to following generation, sikhs, without hair in west UP started calling themselve Hindu.

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  7. it really helped me a lot to know about my roots. I nirwan gotra jatt from distt. HAPUR UTTAR PRADESH(VILLAGE TATARPUR)

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    1. Ma bhi nirwan ha bhai bahadarpur meerut to ik article or pdha mna nirwan de bare chu ki asi west Punjab to aya tha or mera dadaji btanda ha sada sabhi bada budha de naam or vo ye bhi btande ha ki jo sadi jameen thi Punjab chu usdi chakbandi hui thi tb utha te log aya tha ta bada buddha na mna krdi thi ki asi athi bs gya hun or dadaji ya bhi btanda ki phla punjab te log anda tha naam puchna pidhi de apni

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